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Las presiones del mundo contemporáneo
crean demandas a los empleados/as y las organizaciones para
mantener su lugar en el mercado. Estas presiones representan
altos costos en la calidad de vida, la salud física y
emocional, - y en ocasiones, hasta la vida de los empleados/as
y sus familias como resultado de errores en y fuera del trabajo.
Para las organizaciones representan costos operacionales y pérdidas
en su capacidad para atraer y retener trabajadores/as cualificados.
Recientemente Microsoft® aumentó su programa de acciones
para empleados en un 15% y mejoró sus incentivos (lavandería,
tintorería, alimentos, y programas de descuento) para
aumentar al retención de su fuerza de trabajo (ENDI,
1º de mayo, 2006, p.95). Por otra parte, Cascio & Young
(2005) encontraron en un estudio reciente, que las ganancias
en acciones comunes de las compañías Working Mother
100 fueron en promedio mayores que aquellas de las compañías
S&P500.
El aumento en el nivel de conciencia sobre
el impacto de estos factores ha llevado a las organizaciones
a promover alternativas para construir organizaciones física
y psicológicamente saludables. Estas son organizaciones
capaces de mantener un ambiente de trabajo saludable y satisfactorio
a través de tiempo, aún en periodos de turbulencia
y cambio (Tetrick y Quick, 2003). Esto es, ambientes en los
que “las personas son capaces de producir, crecer, servir
y ser valoradas… en los que las personas usan sus talentos
y dones para lograr un desempeño elevado, satisfacción
elevada y sentido de bienestar (Quick, 1999). La Asociación
Americana de Psicología ha identificado cinco áreas
que definen una organización psicológicamente
saludable: la salud y seguridad, el balance familia y trabajo
y las oportunidades de crecimiento y desarrollo, la participación
y el reconocimiento a empleados.
Es posible evaluar la salud individual y organizacional
a través de indicadores tangibles e intangibles. Entre
los indicadores tangibles están los informes de accidentes
y enfermedades, días tomados por enfermedad, tardanzas,
ausentismo, presentismo (estar presente física pero no
mentalmente); modificaciones en el desempeño, separaciones
voluntarias de la organización y el gasto resultante
de la sustitución de empleados/as, aumento en el gasto
en planes médicos, primas de seguros y reclamaciones
de compensación, entre otros. Entre los “intangibles”
están la satisfacción, motivación y actitudes.
Cascio (2000) ha sugerido que el aumento en las actitudes de
los empleados/as tiene un impacto directo en la impresión
de la clientela y ésta a su vez en el crecimiento de
ganancias de las compañías.
Es fundamental que las organizaciones inviertan
en su talento humano. Cada organización deberá
identificar sus necesidades y diseñar las prácticas.
“No existe una solución única… El
éxito está basado, en parte, en atender los retos
únicos de cada organización y diseñar los
programas y políticas de acuerdo con las necesidades
de sus empleados.” (Newman, 2006).
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*La
doctora Ivonne Moreno-Velázquez es doctora en Psicología
Industrial Organizacional de la Universidad de Puerto Rico,
Recinto de Río Piedras. Además de sus estudios
doctorales, obtuvo una maestría en Psicología
Social de la Universidad Autónoma de México y
completó los requisitos del Programa Doctoral en Ciencias
Administrativas del Instituto Politécnico Nacional. Es
Profesional Certificada en Recursos Humanos (PHR - Professional
of Human Resources) por el Human Resources Certification Institute.
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Dr. Edgardo C. Guberman |
LA FORMULA
DE LA JUVENTUD
Por Claudia Servino |
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Nacha Guevara, Luis Brandoni, Selva Alemán,
Arturo Puig, Gynette Reynal, son sólo algunos de los
famosos que exhiben con orgullo el resultado del tratamiento
con EMBRIONINAS . Ellos se muestran más que contentos
con su estado psico-físico y no tienen problemas en compartir
el secreto de su éxito.
“Me hice el tratamiento por primera vez
en el Centro de Revitalización Biológica y realmente
retardé el desgaste orgánico y las señales
del envejecimiento, aumenté la energía y la vitalidad
y mantuve la concentración y la memoria. Este es uno
de mis secretos para mantener mi piel y mi cuerpo siempre jóvenes”.
(Nacha Guevara) .
“Realicé el tratamiento y el resultado
fue bárbaro. Ahora me hice un refuerzo en el Centro de
Revitalización Biológica. Elegí esta terapia
entre muchas propuestas por considerarla la más seria
y de mejores resultados”. (Arturo Puig).
“Desde que empecé el tratamiento
con embrioninas siento un progresivo aumento de la vitalidad.
Este tratamiento es como una inyección de energía”.
(Gynette Reynal).
Las EMBRIONINAS actúan “recargando
el combustible” que el organismo va perdiendo. Cansancio,
falta de memoria y diversos dolores musculares son algunos de
los síntomas que provoca el envejecimiento de las células.
Estar cansado es normal, pero no siempre. Hay
que estar atento a esas “alarmas” que el cuerpo
envía inteligentemente. Las señales del desgaste
son claras, lo importante es prestarles atención y no
tomarlas como algo “natural”: cansancio, estrés,
falta de memoria y de concentración, pérdida de
la potencia física sexual o psíquica, así
como dolores que persisten y contracturas musculares recurrentes.
Estos síntomas pueden ser el puntapié inicial
para comenzar una terapia de revitalización biológica.
También se puede iniciar antes, de modo preventivo, explicó
el Dr. Edgardo C. Guberman, director del área médica
internacional del Centro de Revitalización Biológica
de Argentina-Brasil y miembro de la Internationale Gesellschaft
für Cytobiologische Therapien. En Latinoamérica,
según cifras de este Centro especializado, más
de 20 mil personas ya han probado esta terapéutica; con
porcentajes similares entre hombres y mujeres.
La acción terapéutica comienza
en el corazón mismo de la célula ya que las embrioninas
pueden atravesar la membrana celular sin problemas, de esta
forma son absorbidas y utilizadas por el organismo en un cien
por cien.
Básicamente lo que hacen, una vez instaladas
en el citoplasma (núcleo de la Célula), aclara
el Dr. Guberman, “es renovar todos sus elementos orgánicos
e inorgánicos, revitalizándola” . Y agregó:
que “como además en la elaboración de embrioninas
se deshecha el contenido celular alergénico, no producen
ningún efecto colateral ni tienen contraindicación
alguna”. La embrioterapia, nació en Suiza en 1973
y revolucionó los métodos de revitalización
biológica, reemplazando evolutivamente a la antigua celuloterapia,
ya superada”, remarcó el Dr. Pedro Kolodzinski,
director administrativo del Centro.
Antes de comenzar el tratamiento, aclaran los
especialistas, el profesional realiza una evaluación
(ver www.biorevital.com)
sin internación, utilizando equipos de alta tecnología
no invasivos. Así se identifican de forma rápida
y segura, las alteraciones biológicas que en su fase
inicial son responsables del proceso del desgaste orgánico
que puede conducir al envejecimiento prematuro. A partir de
los resultados, explicó el Dr. Kolodzinski, se establece
la medicación con las dosis y la frecuencia que le corresponde
a cada paciente. Por lo general, el tratamiento dura tres meses
y se combina con la administración de aminoácidos,
enzimas y oligoelementos para potenciar los resultados. El tratamiento
es ambulatorio.
Con el correr del tiempo las células
se desgastan, desequilibrando las funciones orgánicas.
Esto se traduce en fatiga, falta de concentración, contracturas
y alergias, entre otros síntomas. La pregunta es cómo
subsanar estas molestias, sin cócteles de drogas ni tratamientos
complicados.
La respuesta llegó hace poco tiempo de
mano de la embrioterapia, un único tratamiento orientado
a recuperar la vitalidad y mejorar integralmente la calidad
de vida. Las EMBRIONINAS constituyen el método de revitalización
biológica más revolucionario que existe, ya que
poseen una potencia energética miles de veces mayor que
todo lo conocido en este campo hasta el momento.
Eso sí, en todos los casos se recomienda
acompañar la terapia con un cambio positivo en los hábitos
de vida como evitar el estrés, mantener una vida activa,
una alimentación sana, un ritmo normal de reposo, el
peso adecuado y realizar ejercicios físicos. Además
de “no fumar, no automedicarse, controlar el consumo de
alcohol y realizarse chequeos con regularidad”, destacó
el Dr. Kolodzinski. “Aunque la mayoría de los pacientes
que se tratan con embrioninas son personas que han pasado la
barrera de los 40 años (y no quieren perder su vitalidad
de siempre) no existe una edad indicada para comenzar el tratamiento,
sino una necesidad de sentir las propias capacidades a plena”,
concluyó el Dr. Guberman.
El Centro de Revitalización Biológica
es una institución médico científica que,
desde 1980, brinda tratamientos para mejorar las capacidades
psicofísicas de sus pacientes. Los Dres. Edgardo Guberman
y Pedro Kolodzinski, fundadores del Centro, poseen una vasta
trayectoria internacional y son los representantes exclusivos
de los laboratorios europeos elaboradores de EMBRIONINAS®,
tratamiento que se aplica con éxito en la Institución
desde 1980.
No se trata de detener el envejecimiento, la
juventud eterna es una utopía; pero si se puede retardar
y lograr un verdadero “rejuvenecimiento físico
y mental” mediante la optomización de la calidad
de vida. Y lo mejor es que para lograr esto, no hay un solo
camino. Los resultados de este tipo de tratamiento fueron presentados
en diversas publicaciones científicas. Incluso, el mundialmente
reconocido profesor Jonas Salk, descubridor de la primera vacuna
antipoliomelítica y fundador del Salk Institute for Biological
Studies, en California, (EE.UU), destacó que la “revitalización
biológica es la terapia del futuro, ya que a partir del
tercer milenio de nuestra era la medicina será de la
salud y no de la enfermedad”.
Asesoramiento:
Teléfonos: 4805-6687/4805-5595
Pág. Web: www.biorevital.com
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IN
HONOR OF LINUS PAULING,
CREATOR OF ORTHOMOLECULAR MEDICINE,
TWELVE YEARS AFTER WE LOST HIM |
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Interview: Linus
Pauling, Ph.D.
Nobel Prizes in Chemistry and Peace
November 11, 1990
Big Sur, California
To start with, how did you first became
interested in science?
When I was 11 years old, I became interested
in insects -- entomology. And for a year I read books about
insects and collected specimens of butterflies and beetles in
the Willamette Valley in Oregon. When I was 12, I became interested
in rocks and minerals. I couldn't collect very many; where I
lived wasn't a good source of minerals except agates, but I
read a great deal about minerals. Then at 13 I became interested
in chemistry in these remarkable phenomena in which one substance
is converted into another substance, or two substances react
to produce a third substance with quite different properties.
Then when I was 18, in 1919, when I was teaching quantitative
analysis full time at Oregon Agricultural College for one year
between my sophomore and junior years, I read the papers of
Irving Langmuir in the Journal of the American Chemical Society,
and went back to G.N. Lewis's 1916 paper. These papers dealing
with the nature of the chemical bond, the role of electrons
in holding atoms together interested me very much. That has
been, essentially, the story of my life ever since.
Did you read an enormous amount as a
young boy?
My father, when I had just about reached my
ninth birthday, wrote a letter to the Portland Oregonian, asking
for advice as to what books to get for me. He said that I seemed
to have an unusual interest in reading, especially history.
Then he went on to say, "And don't say the Bible and Darwin's
Origin of Species, because he has already read them."
Well, I think I can remember reading the Bible at an early age,
but my father's word is the only evidence I have that I had
read Darwin's Origin of the Species before I was nine years
old. I did like to read, and my father had some influence on
this way of thinking, because I used to watch him compounding
prescription drugs in the back room of his drug store, and he
was interested in teaching me a little medical Latin and other
things.
I early developed a great curiosity about the nature of the
world, the nature of the Universe. So as time went on, I became
more and more interested to learn more by reading about the
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I understand it, your first interest in chemistry came
when you were a young boy and a friend of yours got a
chemistry set.
Well, I don't think chemistry sets existed
at that time. This boy, Lloyd Alexander Jefress, just
my age, 13, asked if I would like to see some chemical
reactions. He had various chemicals that he had gotten
perhaps at the drug store, and he carried out some reactions.
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Shortly after Lloyd Jefress showed
me these experiments, I decided that I would be a chemist. It
may have been a year or two later. When I was 15 or 16, Lloyd
Jefress and I were visiting my grandmother in Oswego, Oregon,
and she said to me, "What are you going to be when you
grown up, Linie?" And I said, "I am going to be a
chemical engineer." Lloyd Jefress, who became a leading
psychologist later on, said, "No, he isn't. He is going
to be a professor."
I got my bachelor's degree in chemical engineering at Oregon
Agricultural College, because I didn't know that there were
such people as professional chemists. They didn't have advisors
about your choice of profession in schools at that time. I knew
about chemical engineering, so I thought that was the way I
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What
did your parents think of this? Did they encourage you?
My father died when I was nine, shortly
after he had written this letter, and my mother was not
very interested in intellectual matters. I don't remember
any general discussions held in the family with my mother.
The aunt and uncle of Lloyd Jefress, this young fellow
who was my best friend all of his life, were intellectuals.
They weren't university people, but they were interested
in ideas, and I learned something about ideas from them.
They were influential in my life. When I was 16, in June
I got a job in a machine shop. And every time I received
my paycheck, my salary had been increased. So by the end
of the summer, I was getting pretty good pay for a 16-year-old. |
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My mother was having so much
financial trouble as a widow with three children, that she was
hoping I would continue in the machine shop and continue to
bring a salary. Lloyd Jefress's aunt and uncle, however, were
determined that I should go on to college, and they convinced
me that it was my duty that I go on to college. It didn't require
much money. There was no tuition at Oregon Agricultural College.
For the first six months, my mother sent me 25 dollars a month
that I was able to live on, and then she couldn't send it and
I had some trouble the next three months getting by. But from
then on I was able to earn my living and even help my mother
out somewhat.
We understand worked your way through
school. One of the jobs you had was as a road inspector, wasn't
it?
Well, I would be called a paving engineer now.
I was responsible for the quality of the bituminous pavement
that was laid by the contractor for the state. Later on I worked
for Warren Construction Company. Warren Construction Company
wanted me to stay with the company and not go on with my education.
I did that for five summers, and I had spare time, even during
the eight hours that the paving plant was operating, and I could
read chemical books and look over the tables of properties of
substances and continue to wonder about the possibility of getting
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mentioned reading books about natural science and history.
Did you read any fiction as a young man? Was there anything
that captivated you in other ways?
Oh, yes. I read almost any book that I
could get hold of. When I was up in Corvallis just recently,
I mentioned to the people in the library at Oregon Agricultural
College -- it's now Oregon State University -- that in
a sense I owed my general education to the library at
Oregon Agricultural College. I can remember many of the
books that I read I got from the library in succession.
All of the plays that Shaw had written. I can remember
reading Voltaire's poems -- I studied French in college
-- and there were many other books. I read the romances,
there was one that came out while I was still in high
school, The Girl of the Limberlost. Just a love story.
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I bought the Saturday Evening
Post nearly every week if I had a nickel that I could spare,
and read the stories in the Saturday Evening Post. One of them,
I realized later, had been written by an author who collaborated
with a well-known American physicist. The physicist was Wood,
professor of physics at Johns Hopkins University. It was called
The Man Who Rocked the World. It was about someone who had discovered
a way to make a substance radioactive, to induce radioactivity.
And there was a cliff in Greenland, I think, containing the
substance that could be made radioactive by this method. So
the plot involved a man having the idea that he would illuminate
this cliff in such a way that the radioactive particles were
shot out and that could shift the axis of rotation of the earth.
So he was using this to blackmail the countries, the people
of the whole world, into paying tribute to him.
And I remember a series of stories about a boy who had an extraordinary
memory. He apparently could recall memories in such a way that
he saw the scenes that he had viewed at some earlier time. So
he was called in to help solve problems such as discovering
a criminal by recalling a scene and pointing out some features
that weren't in his conscious memory before. I learned later
this is called eidetic memory, when you can see a scene as though
it were on a television screen in your mind. I read everything
I could get my hands on about it.
What interested you so much about the
story of the boy with the amazing memory? Something to do with
your curiosity about the world?
Yes. The boy was called Marcus Aurelius Fortunatus
Todd, and I suppose I identified with him, being the hero, providing
the solution to a problem. But it's something like reading detective
stories, which I liked to do. Early science fiction, Argosy
magazine, mainly sort of adventure stories, but some of them
could be called early science fiction. And of course Jules Verne
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Which of Wells's
stories did you like the most?
I can't say which I liked the most at
the time I read them. I probably liked all of them, but
of course I've re-read them since then. The War of the
Worlds, for example. I think that was the one in which
these flying machines came over at the tremendous height
of four hundred feet above the ground and dropped bombs.
I remember one of his stories where there were large speakers
at the street corners for advertising, saying, "Buy
Glaxo cold medicine and control your cold," and things
like that! He anticipated many developments just as did
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I have given up reading novels,
romantic novels, because it seems to me there is nothing new.
I have read it all before, and I am no longer very interested
anyway. And the same thing is true of science fiction stories.
It seems to me the plots of the new science fiction stories
are all plots that I have run across before. |
Looking back on
your childhood years and early college years, is there
anything you would have done differently?
I was fortunate. I don't think there is
anything that I would have done differently. I regret
that my mother was having so much financial trouble, and
I could answer by saying that I should have gone on in
the machine shop business and helped my mother more. Actually,
I did borrow a thousand dollars from my uncle in order
that the elder of my two sisters could have a year at
Oregon Agricultural College. I don't think she liked it
very well. She was a very smart person, and she may have
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In working yourself through
school, were there some things that you learned? Did you get
a perspective that you would have missed if your family had
been more fortunate financially?
Well, I'm sure that I got in the habit of working,
and not being lazy, not wasting my time.
In the third term of my freshman year, when my mother was no
longer sending me money, I was able to make 25 dollars a month
-- which was barely enough for me to get by with -- by working
100 hours a month chopping wood and cutting up quarters of beef
for the girls dormitory. Chopping wood for the wood burning
stoves in the kitchen of the girls dormitory, and cutting the
beef for them, and mopping the kitchens every night. And in
order to do this, to work 100 hours a month for 25 cents an
hour, and to keep up with my studies, it was necessary that
I not waste any hours during the day. So I think I developed
the habit of working.
My success in solving scientific problems I think is the result
of two qualities that I have. One is that of being able to formulate
or discover problems. The other is that of being able to make
a decision as to what problems I might be able to solve, and
which I probably will not be able to solve, so that I don't
waste time on those.
Do you have any idea how you developed
those traits?
Well, I have some idea.
As the years have gone by, starting quite early, I realized
I tried to formulate a picture of the universe. In a sense,
a theory of everything. Whenever I hear something new, I try
to fit it into the picture that I have already formed of the
universe. If it fits, well and good, I don't need to worry about
it. But if it doesn't fit in, then I ask, "Why doesn't
it fit in with my ideas about how the universe ought to be operating?"
I'd better try to find the answer to that. So then I can ask,
"How well is my background of knowledge and experience,
such that I have a reasonable chance of finding the answer?"And
if it isn't, then I say, "Well, perhaps someone else will
make some progress with that idea, but I better go on with the
others." So I have lots of ideas. I do a lot of scientific
reading, and quite often, every week perhaps, I read about something
that someone is reporting that puzzles me. So I have a big pile
of questions of this sort that I would like to settle down to
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Who
was a big influence on you as a young man?
Well, by the time I got to graduate school,
there were people who had a great influence on me. One
was Roscoe Gilkey Dickinson. He had got his doctorate
in physical chemistry -- x-ray crystallography -- in 1920.
He was the first person to get a Ph.D. from California
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And he was continuing with x-ray
crystallography, determining the structure of inorganic crystals.
After I had accepted appointment as a graduate student at California
Institute of Technology, A.A. Noyes, the head of the division
of chemistry and chemical engineering, wrote to say that he
had decided I should work with Roscoe Dickinson on determining
the structure of crystals.
This was really extremely fortunate for me, in my opinion. I
don't think that there was any field that was more suited to
my interests, and I don't really know why Dr. Noyes selected
me out of eight or ten new graduate students to do x-ray crystallography.
Dickinson had a remarkable mind. He was a very careful investigator
and thinker. A very logical thinker. When he was teaching me
x-ray crystallography, he also taught me to ask at each stage
in the argument, "What assumptions are being made? How
reliable is the conclusion that you draw? What chance is there
that one of the assumptions you have made is not correct?"
"You should recognize," he said to me, "that
there is in almost every investigation a lack of complete rigor.
You should understand just how reliable the arguments are that
you are presenting."
There was a professor of physical chemistry and mathematical
physics in the California Institute of Technology who was very
influential with me, Richard Chase Tolman. He immediately began
giving a course of the basis of science. A very interesting
course in which he discussed the question of how science is
in fact prosecuted. He also began giving a course on quantum
theory and atomic structure, using the book, The Origin of Spectra,
by Foote and Muller.
This was the old quantum theory, of course, in those years.
I studied quantum theory with Tolman in a seminar in which Arnold
Sommerfeld's book on quantum theory and atomic structure was
used as the text. One year it was the German edition, because
there was no English edition, and the next year the English
translation. Tolman made a great impact on me in regard to physical
and chemical theory. Those two people, I think, were probably
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It sounds like they
not only imparted knowledge to you, but also gave the
tools to work with for the rest of your scientific career.
Yes. The experimental work that I did
in x-ray crystallography was not especially complicated
in the way that some modern experiments are. But I was
at least a passable experimenter. I was good in the laboratory,
making chemical compounds and crystallizing them. My work
as a whole has been about half experimental and half theoretical,
which I think is a good combination. |
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You discovered all sorts
of new relationships in the physical world. Can you summarize,
for the non-scientist, what those things tell us about the way
the world works?
After the electron was discovered in 1896, and
the nucleus of the atom -- an extremely small part of the center
of the atom -- was discovered in 1911, it became possible to
determine many properties of molecules, such as how far apart
the atoms are. That hadn't been available for experimental study
before. X-ray diffraction was one of the methods. I was fortunate
in being able to use this essentially new experimental technique
discovered in 1914, eight years before I became a graduate student,
in attempting to answer many questions that I had formulated
about chemical substances and their properties. And yet, they
had only experimental answers to them.
The next important development was that the theory of quantum
mechanics was discovered in 1925 and 1926. This was an improvement
on the old quantum theory. The old quantum theory was an approximate
theory which sometimes worked in a very remarkable way, and
sometimes failed. But quantum mechanics -- so far as chemistry
is concerned -- quantum mechanics is the basic theory, and there
is nothing wrong with it. It works.
I realized in 1926 already that quantum mechanics could be applied
to answer many additional questions about the nature of the
chemical bonds, about the structure of molecules and crystals.
So, during the next ten years I was able to apply quantum mechanics
to chemical problems in very productive ways, changing the whole
basic nature of chemistry in such a way that essentially all
chemists make use of these new ideas, along with the old structural
chemistry that had been developed much earlier.
It must be very exciting to be involved
with something that you realize, at least later, is a turning
point, the opening of a door for scientists and researchers
to walk through into a new area of discovery. |
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Yes. Someone
asked me, not long ago, what was the discovery I made
that excited me the most? And I answered that it was the
basic discovery about directed chemical bonds that I made
in January of 1931. I had published a paper in 1928, two
years after I began learning quantum mechanics, in which
I said that from quantum mechanics, by a treatment that
I call "the resonance theory," I could explain
the tetrahedral nature of the bonds of the carbon atom,
and that I would publish details later. Nearly three years
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In 1928, I was working with the
quantum mechanical calculations -- which were very complicated
mathematically -- and I managed to derive the result that the
carbon atom would form four bonds in tetrahedral directions,
but it was so complicated that I thought, "People won't
believe it. It is so hard to see through this mass of symbols
and equations and relationships that they won't believe it.
And perhaps I don't believe it either." It took a long
time for me to simplify the quantum mechanical equations so
that they were very easily applied to various problems. So around
January 19, 1931, late in the day, I had this idea. I can use
a simple method of simplifying a power method of simplifying
these equations. Then I can apply these simplified equations
to various chemical problems.
So I worked nearly all night, very excited about applying this
idea. I not only can easily derive the tetrahedral arrangement
of the bonds of the carbon atoms, but also various other arrangement
of atoms around a central atom, not only tetrahedral, but also
octahedral ligation, and square planar ligation, which does
occur with certain substances. And I did make predictions about
relationships between magnetic properties and the arrangements
of the atoms around each other. I considered that paper, which
was published 17th of March, 1931, as my most important paper,
and I believe I am right in saying that it is the one that developed
the greatest feeling of excitement in me.
What other experiences or events had
a major impact on you?
I think that meeting the young woman whom I
married a year-and-a-half later was the event that had the greatest
effect on my life. I can see in retrospect, she felt that her
duty was to see to it that her husband lived as good a life
as possible. And in particular, that she would handle the problems
and stresses associated with family, leaving me free to devote
all of my time and effort to working on the problems that I
wanted to work on, the scientific problems.
I've been asked from time to time, "How does it happen
that you have made so many discoveries? Are you smarter than
other scientists?" And my answer has been that I am sure
that I am not smarter than others. I don't have any precise
evaluation of my IQ, but to the extent that psychologists have
said that my IQ is about 160, I recognize that there are one
hundred thousand or more people in the United States that have
IQs higher than that. So I have said that I think I think harder,
think more than other people do, than other scientists. For
years, almost all of my thinking was about science and scientific
problems that I was interested in.
So I owe much of this to my wife.
Could you tell us something about the
obstacles you've encountered along the way?
So far as my scientific career goes, of course,
there was the decision that I made in 1945 -- '46 perhaps, but
starting in 1945 -- and that may have been made by my wife rather
than me, to sacrifice part of my scientific career to working
for control of nuclear weapons and for the achievement of world
peace. So for years I devoted half my time, perhaps, to giving
hundreds of lectures and to writing my book, No More War, but
in the earlier years especially, to studying international affairs
and social, political and economic theory, to the extent that
it enabled me ultimately to feel that I was speaking with the
same authority as when I talked about science. This is what
my wife said to me back around 1946. If I wanted to be effective,
I'd have to reach the point where I could speak with authority
about these matters, and not just quote statements that politicians
and other people of that sort had made.
What was it that first got you interested
in becoming an activist in the social and political sense?
When the atomic bomb was dropped at Hiroshima,
and then at Nagasaki, I was immediately asked, within a month
or two, by the Rotary Club perhaps in Hollywood, to give a talk,
an after dinner talk about atomic bombs. My talk, as I recall,
was entirely on what the atom is, what the atomic nucleus is,
what nuclear fission is, how it is possible for a substance
to be exploded, liberating 20 million times more energy than
the same amount of dynamite or TNT could liberate. A couple
of days after my talk, there was a man in my office from the
FBI, saying, "Who told you how much plutonium there is
in an atomic bomb?" And I said, "Nobody told me, I
figured it out." And he went away and that was the end
of that. But I kept giving these talks, and I realized that
more and more I was saying, "It seems to me that we have
come to the time war ought to be given up. It no longer makes
sense to kill 20 million or 40 million people because of a dispute
between two nations who are running things, or decisions made
by the people who really are running things. It no longer makes
sense. Nobody wins. Nobody benefits from destructive war of
this sort and there is all of this human suffering." And
Einstein was saying the same thing of course. So that is when
we decided -- my wife and I -- that first, I was pretty effective
as a speaker. Second, I better start boning up, studying these
other fields so that nobody could stand up and say, "Well,
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you think the scientist in particular has an obligation
to be engaged in those kinds of activities?
Well, yes. I have said this for many years.
Almost every problem in the modern world has some scientific
content, sometimes very great scientific content. For
example, the argument going on now about the destruction
of the ozone layer, or the greenhouse effect with an increase
in temperature of the earth. Or the nuclear winters if
there were to be a nuclear war. That seems no longer to
be an important matter. I think the chance of having a
nuclear war is much less than it was before. But all minor
problems too, the ecological problems, are largely scientific
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And while scientists may not
be able to decide what the best course is to follow, nevertheless,
I think their judgment has to be a little better about these
problems than that of the non-scientist. I have said that the
scientist has an obligation to his fellow citizens to help them
to understand the problems and to make the right decisions.
You took the information that you saw,
and the concerns that you had, and you organized scientists.
Tell us about the petition that you circulated in 1958 and why
you began that.
By 1957, I had been talking for a dozen years
about the need to control nuclear weapons, to prevent a nuclear
war and to make treaties for world peace.
I was asked to speak at the honors convocation at Washington
University in St. Louis. During the preceding months there had
been additional information released about damage done by radioactivity
from testing of nuclear weapons, and by the Hiroshima and Nagasaki
bombs. So my talk was about that. It got a tremendous response
from the audience when I said, "We have to stop the testing
of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere, because hundreds of thousands
of unborn children and people now living are being damaged."
So with two other professors, Barry Commoner and Ted Condon,
I decided to write a petition. The next day we met, each of
us had written a version of the petition, and I think mine was,
essentially, the one selected by the three of us. We sent it
immediately, mimeographed it, and sent it out to 25 scientists
that we knew. They all sent it right back, signed. So then I
got back to Pasadena and my wife and I and some of our students
and others in the lab got busy and sent out hundreds of copies
with the names of these first 25 signers -- or perhaps there
was twenty-five, the three of us and 22 others. And within a
month or two I had 2.000 signatures from American scientists
which I presented to Dag Hammarskjold. Scientists from all over
the world began signing this petition. Originally it was a petition
by American scientists, but eventually it became a petition
by world scientists. I think it was about 9,000 that we gave
to Dag Hammarskjold, and ultimately about 13,000 scientists
all over the world had signed this petition. So that had a great
effect, and I think even on President Kennedy, because a few
years later he gave a speech about a need for a treaty limiting
bomb testing and of course pretty soon this treaty was made. |
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Did
you have that goal in mind when you started?
Well, back in 1945, my first talks were
just pedagogical. I was just explaining nuclear fission.
Then I began rather gradually expressing the opinion that
the time had come to work for international treaties,
and international law to settle disputes rather than to
use the barbaric method of war, made especially barbaric
by the nuclear weapons. So I was working toward the goal
of a world without war. But I didn't ever think that I
would attain the sort of prominence and so forth that
I have attained. The McCarthy period came along, of course
-- 1950, '51, '52 -- and the others, many of the other
people who had been scientists who had been working on
these same lines, gave up. Probably saying, "Why
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I am supposed to be working on
scientific things, so I don't need to put myself at risk by
talking about these possibilities." And I have said, perhaps
I'm just stubborn. I don't like the idea. I have said I don't
like anybody to tell me what to do or to think, except Mrs.
Pauling.I ran across that statement in some testimony I was
giving before a Senate committee. I said, "Nobody tells
me what to think, except Mrs. Pauling." |
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views and actions came under a great deal of scrutiny
during that period, and a great deal of suspicion. Would
you talk about that period?
Well, it was a difficult period. For example,
my scientific work was in considerable part supported
by grants from the National Science Foundation and the
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I got a communication that these
grants were not going to be made, despite the letter I received
two months before that the grants were going to be made.
For a while I didn't understand what it was about, and I telephoned
the National Institutes of Health, and the man that I talked
to said, "You have associates, why don't you split up the
application. You can apply for part of the work, and your associates,
Dr. Corey and Dr. Campbell, can apply for other parts."
So we sent in these revised applications. In another week Dr.
Corey and Dr. Campbell had their grants approved, the amount
increased and the period extended, but they never acted on my
application.
I was fortunate that this political action by the National Institute
of Health, who were worried about McCarthyism, didn't seriously
interfere with my researches. But there were, I understand,
40 scientists who had their grants canceled at this time. I
remember talking with one of them at Columbia University. He
was despondent. He didn't know what to do. The university wouldn't
support him, and his work was more closely knit. He didn't have
an associate who could apply for the grant.
So there were scientists who were really very hard hit in their
scientific work by this political action. Oveta Culp from Texas,
who was Secretary of the Department of Health, Education and
Welfare, was frightened enough by McCarthy to have the people
go over the list and select people they thought might be attacked
by McCarthy, and cancel their grants.
The State Department prevented me from traveling for two years.
The first time, when the Royal Society of London was holding
a two-day conference to discuss my work, I was to be the first
speaker (to discuss) work on the structure of protons. An international
conference just to discuss these discoveries that I had made.
And I couldn't go to the conference because I couldn't get the
passport. So for two years, the State Department caused trouble
for me. They wouldn't tell me why. They said "Not in the
best interest of the United States," or "Your anti-Communist
statements haven't been strong enough." I was having a
scrap with the Communists -- the Russians and the Soviet Union
-- at the time, and I was critical of the Soviet Union, but
they used that as an excuse, saying they weren't strong enough,
my statements. I'm sure this interfered seriously with my work.
When I was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, the New York
Times had an article saying, "Will Professor Pauling be
allowed to go to Stockholm to receive the Nobel Prize?"
So I received the passport, which had been turned down only
a short time before. It was sent to me.
Senator Thomas C. Hennings of Missouri was chairman of a committee
in the Senate, investigating the State Department's passport
division. The Assistant Secretary of State was testifying after
I testified. Senator Hennings said, "How did Pauling happen
to get his passport then? Was there an appeal?" They said,
"A sort of self-generating appeal." So Senator Hennings
said, "Do you mean to sit there and tell me that the State
Department of the United States of America allows some committee
of foreigners in a foreign country to decide which Americans
will be allowed to travel?" Well, he didn't have any answer
to that question.
You had some difficulties in the academic
world too. Cal Tech didn't look kindly on some of your activities.
The trustees, of course, were mainly business
men, and conservative, and supporters of the cold war, and they
seemed to consider that working for peace between the U.S. and
the Soviet Union was in some way subversive, as compared with
preparing for a war that would rid the world of the menace of
communism. Probably socialism worried them rather than communism.
The trustees tried to get the institute to fire me, and a committee
was set up -- I didn't know about it at the time -- that reported
that they couldn't find a way by which I could be fired. I wasn't
guilty of moral turpitude in the usual sense, which was one
way in which a professor could lose his job. So they began sort
of harassing me. I was chairman of the Division of Chemistry
and Chemical Engineering. The president said, well, that's one
job they could take away from me, which would mean a decrease
in salary. I didn't mind. I had served in that position for
22 years, and felt that I had done my duty, with respect to
that administrative job. But they began interfering with my
research projects, and I decided that I was going to have to
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When I received
word that I had been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, I
found, when I returned to Pasadena, that the president
had stated to the Los Angeles Times that it was pretty
remarkable for any person to receive two Nobel Prizes,
but there was much difference of opinion about the value
of the works that Professor Pauling had done. So I decided
that the time had come for me to resign and I did. I didn't
like that. I had been at the California Institute of Technology
for 41 years then, and I thought it was really the best
institution in the world. My opinion of it is still a
very high one. With respect to science, it comes close
to being the best university in the world. So I wasn't
happy about leaving the institute, but I did leave. |
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Did anyone at Cal Tech
express any regrets about this?
The Division of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering
did not hold a party to celebrate my getting the Nobel Peace
Prize. Whereas they had held one when I got the Nobel Prize
in Chemistry. But the Biology Division did hold a party for
me. The biological scientists, I think, were more sympathetic
to what I was saying about damage done by fallout radioactivity
and carbon-14 than the physical scientists. I was, I think to
some extent, disappointed that my colleagues in the institute
did not express sympathy with me in this situation.
Did you have any discussions with any
of them on a one-on-one basis about that?
I'm not sure that I can remember. Beadle, the
chairman of the Biology Division, had been a member of the committee
to recommend to the trustees whether they could fire me or not,
and he told me about it some years later. I don't remember when
it was that he told me about it. I note that he was, in a sense,
sympathetic to me. There were many people at the Institute that
I considered my friends, and perhaps if they are still alive,
still consider them my friends. But it was a difficult period,
so I can't complain about their not being open in expressing
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did a great deal of work on the molecular basis of disease,
which has also been controversial. What led you in that
direction?
In 1935, after I had worked on the structure
and the basic principals determining the structure of
inorganic compounds, including minerals and simple organic
compounds, I began work on hemoglobin and other very large
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By 1948, I discovered the alpha-helix
and the pleated sheets, the basis, the principal ways of folding
polypeptide chains and proteins. It was an important discovery.
In 1945 I had the idea about molecular diseases, and this started
a field of medicine, a class of diseases called hemoglobinopathies.
It had not been known before my discovery of the hemoglobinopathies
that you could have diseases of molecules, these large molecules
of the human body. So it was an important contribution. I decided
after working on the hemoglobinopathies for several years to
shift to mental disease, and reported some new ideas about anesthesia,
and about schizophrenia and other diseases. In 1968 I published
my first two papers introducing the adjective "orthomolecular."
These were about orthomolecular psychiatry, and orthomolecular
medicine in general.
Orthomolecular medicine is the adjustment of the amount of orthomolecular
substances in the human body to achieve the best of health and
the smallest incidence of disease and provide the best additional
methods even of treating disease.
Orthomolecular substances, I said, are substances that are normally
present in the human body and are required for life. Some of
them we make for ourselves in the liver, say, or in other cells
in the body. Some we have to get in our foods or in vitamin
supplements or other dietary supplements.
The remarkable thing about orthomolecular substances, such as
vitamins, there are many others, is their astonishingly low
toxicity. If a patient with severe arthritis takes ten times
as much aspirin as the doctor has prescribed, the patient will
be dead. In general, drugs are given in amounts coming close
to the amount that will kill a person. I was astonished to learn,
some 25 years ago, that vitamins are very powerful substances,
in that a little pinch of a vitamin every day is all that you
need to keep from dying of scurvy or berri-berri, or pellagra,
or other vitamin-deficiency diseases, but that you can take
1,000 or 10,000 times that much, day after day, without any
serious toxicity showing up. No problems with these large amounts.
So, I thought, this is something that I hadn't known before.
My picture of the universe did not include these orthomolecular
substances -- a term that I invented -- these orthomolecular
substances, that have powerful physiological effects but are
also essentially non-toxic. So the question comes up in my mind,
I know that the authorities recommend an intake, the RDA (Recommended
Daily Allowance) of the various vitamins. And they say this
intake will keep most people from showing signs of vitamin deficiency,
or from dying of vitamin deficiency. So I ask, since you can
tolerate very much larger amounts, even 1,000 times larger,
what are the amounts that would put me and other people in the
best of health? So for over 20 years I have been working on
that problem.
I think it really offers great opportunities for improved health.
People who take these vitamins and other orthomolecular substances
in the optimum amounts can live 25 or 35 years longer than otherwise.
More than that, they will be free of diseases. This optimum
nutrition, with the orthomolecular substances, cuts down the
probability of developing cancer, or heart disease or diabetes,
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In general,
it gives people much better health than they would have
under ordinary conditions, where they are suffering from
hypovitaminosis of different kinds, too small amounts
of the various vitamins in their bodies. Of course, I
had the collaboration of physicians and scientists, but
for 25 years, this has been one of my principal interests.
I think it may well turn out that my associates and I,
along with other people who have had similar ideas in
the past, will be credited with having made an extremely
important contribution to health, and to the decrease
in the amount of suffering associated with increasing
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There has been a lot
of positive response to your views on the use of vitamins, but
there are still many skeptics, including many people in the
scientific community. To what do you attribute that skepticism?
I don't think that there are many skeptics in
the scientific community. Scientists know me from way back.
They are in a position to appreciate the significance of anything
that I say. It is the MD's -- the physicians -- that constitute
the problem, with a few exceptions. A few oddball scientists
say that I am wrong. It is mainly just the medical establishment
that supplies the opposition to orthomolecular medicine. Two
books have been written discussing just this problem. One of
them is The Vitamin C Controversy by Dr. Ebolene Richards. Another,
by Ralph Moss, is called The Cancer Industry. Each of them suggests
that the profit motive plays an important part.
The drugs that are used to treat cancer and heart disease and
other diseases often are sold at very high prices. They run
hundreds of millions, hundreds of billions of dollars every
year spent on medicine. Much of it goes to the cost of the drugs,
which may be several thousand dollars per year per patient,
and the cost of paying physicians for their time and paying
for the very expensive diagnostic instruments that are used,
and so on. And I can understand concern about opposition coming
through the treatment of diseases or prevention of diseases
by substances that cost almost nothing. Vitamins are very cheap,
you know. So the profit motive probably is operating here, even
though the medical authorities might deny it. |
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gather from what you are saying, you don't feel that there
is as much danger of people getting a toxic level of vitamins,
as there is a danger of them not having enough in their
system to prevent disease.
Well, there is essentially no danger of
damage from overdosage by vitamins. Even the damage from
vitamin A, which is always mentioned as the dangerous
one, is very small compared with overdoses from drugs.
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Such over-the-counter drugs as
aspirin cause hundreds of deaths per year. Nobody has ever died
-- possibly one person is known to have died from an overdose
of vitamin A. So there is no danger from overdoses of vitamins,
essentially. There is a limitation on the amount of vitamin
A that is recommended. I have said I think people shouldn't
take more than 25 times the recommended RDA. Now it is said
you shouldn't take more than eight times or ten times the RDA
of A. Some people develop headaches if they take 40,000 units
of vitamin A per day for long periods of time. That's all right.
You can take betacarotene -- which is a precursor of vitamin
A, and changes into vitamin A in the human body -- without limit.
No toxic dose is known for betacarotene.
I knew a man who took 130,000 milligrams of vitamin C a day
for 13 years to control his cancer -- that's a quarter of a
pound of vitamin C a day -- so he wouldn't need to eat so much
starch. He could rely to some extent on burning the vitamin
C in the cells of his body to provide energy, as well as controlling
the cancer. I take 300 times the RDA of vitamin C per day. I
have been doing that for years. And I take 80 times of the RDA
of vitamin E. I take about ten times the RDA of vitamin A, plus
a good slug of betacarotene. I take about 25 times the RDA of
the other B vitamins. And I take the recommended amounts as
far as minerals too -- not large amounts, the recommended amounts.
I drink milk everyday. I am not one of the people with a deficiency
of lactose, the people who get digestive upsets if they try
drinking milk, or eat milk products that contain lactose, milk
sugar.
Do you find the controversy over your
views terribly frustrating? You feel that you know what is right,
but you still hear people either dismissing it, or saying there
are dangers from doing what you think is an excellent way to
good health.
Yes, it bothers me.
For 17 years -- for 16 years starting in 1973, I tried to get
the National Cancer Institute to carry out some studies of vitamin
C in the prevention and treatment of cancer, without success.
They gave us some money once for animal studies, but only once.
They turned us down eight times and then I stopped applying
to NCI. Last year I went to see the new director of the National
Cancer Institute. He didn't want to talk to me at first, but
he agreed and said that he could spare an hour. He listened
to me for three hours. The first two hours he was incensed by
my saying that I thought it was criminal that the authorities
were not paying attention to this really important possibility
of controlling cancer.
He didn't like that, but he continued to listen to what I had
to say. Finally, after he had said the Mayo Clinic has shown
that vitamin C has no value in the treatment of cancer, I said
that Mayo Clinic study was a fraud. And I can explain just how.
The Mayo Clinic people didn't follow the procedure that Dr.
Ewan Cameron used at all. They say that they did, but they didn't.
We know that they didn't. So you can't rely on that. Finally,
he became interested. The National Cancer Institute, together
with the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney
Diseases, sponsored jointly an international conference, held
in the fall of 1990 in Bethesda in the National Medical Library
Building, at which 40 scientists presented papers on vitamin
C and cancer. Basic scientific studies bearing on the question
of the use of vitamin C in the control of cancer.
The National Cancer Institute has now set up a panel of physicians
to examine the case histories of the patients that my associate
Dr. Cameron has sent to them as having remarkable responses
to vitamin C. So it looks hopeful in this respect. The National
Cancer Institute is also carrying out studies on the value of
increased intake of vitamin C in preventing cancer, an epidemiological
study. So things are moving along. I regret that it took 16
years to get the National Cancer Institute interested, but I
am pleased now that they are moving ahead. |
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Do
you finally feel vindicated, at least to some extent,
that people are taking an interest?
Well, people have taken an interest for
a long time. It is estimated that 40 percent of American
families take high doses of vitamin C regularly. A few
years ago the amount of vitamin C used in the United States
had increased fivefold, and it may be tenfold now. |
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Over the years, I've received
many hundreds of letters from people thanking me for suggesting
vitamin C to control colds, saying they no longer get these
colds. And I have gotten hundreds of letters from people, including
physicians, asking for more information about vitamin C for
controlling cancer, but also sending information about how long
they have been able to control their cancer by taking perhaps
36 grams a day, day after day. Or in the case of this one man,
a chemist in San Jose working for IBM, taking 130 grams a day.
It must be very rewarding to you, in
spite of the controversy, to know that people everywhere, when
they think they're catching a cold, they think of vitamin C.
Yes, it is. I'm sure that most scientists accept
what I have been saying these years. I wasn't the first to say
it either. Other people had been advocating vitamin C for controlling
the common cold and cancer and other diseases back starting
50 years ago. I do feel satisfaction in thinking that I have
been able to contribute to this, what I think is a great step
forward in the control of disease and the decrease in the amount
of suffering.
It seems that so many people these days
are dying from cancer or suffering from cancer. Has something
changed in our world?
We don't have good evidence for that.
Up to 40 years or 50 years ago, people suppressed the fact that
someone had died of cancer. When Arthur Amos Noyes, the head
of our chemistry department, died of cancer in 1936, the death
certificate said pneumonia. Well, many cancer patients develop
pneumonia, because they are so debilitated they no longer have
any resistance. So in the old days, cancer was not put down
as the cause of death. It was a stigma for a person to develop
cancer and die of cancer. So the old statistics are not of much
value. The more recent statistics indicate that the incidence
of cancer -- the age standardized incidence -- has not changed
much. Despite all the hullabaloo about the anti-cancer drugs
and other new methods, the death rate stays essentially the
same. |
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do you see as the next frontier in this area?
If I knew the answer, I'd start working
on it. So I can tell you what I've been doing during the
last few months. With my associate Dr. Mattias Wrath,
I've been working on the problem of what causes cardiovascular
disease. What causes atherosclerosis? Dr. Wrath discovered
and reported that it is not LDL, low density lipoproteins.
He published a paper last year on his studies in blood
vessels obtained from patients with bypass operations,
and he was able to show with his collaborators that it
isn't the LDL that is laid down in the arteries, but another
lipoprotein called lipoprotein LPA, which usually isn't
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It is just mixed in with the
LDL. He and I have published a paper on the relationship between
LPA and vitamin C. The more LPA you have in your blood, the
more chance there is of dying of cardiovascular disease. The
more vitamin C you are taking, the less LPA in the blood. And
it has been known for years that people with low vitamin C levels
in the blood have a higher death rate from cardiovascular disease
that those with a high level. So Dr. Wrath and I are right now
putting the finishing touches on a paper in which we say essentially
that cardiovascular disease is caused by a low intake of vitamin
C
If you were a young person now in the
sciences and chemistry, what would you want to go into? What
would you suggest people go into?
I think that I was fortunate, by the time I
got my doctors degree, in getting a good understanding of physics,
basic physics and advanced physics and of chemistry as a whole.
I had one short course in organic chemistry, but I am considered
to have made great contributions to organic chemistry. I had
no courses in biochemistry, but I'm usually described as "the
great biochemist Linus Pauling." You see, I have made contributions
to biochemistry. There were no courses in molecular biology.
I had no courses in biology at all, but I am one of the founders
of molecular biology. I had no courses in nutrition or vitaminology.
Why? Why am I able to do these things? You see, I got such a
good basic education in the fields where it is difficult for
most people to learn by themselves. Very few people are able
to study mathematics by themselves, they need to have it taught.
I learned a lot of mathematics, a lot of physics, a lot of chemistry.
The chemistry, much of it I might have learned by myself, but
when it comes to these other subjects, I was able to learn enough
about these other fields just by reading, because my basic understanding
was so great that I could interpret the sentences that I read.
I can read -- if I become interested in cardiology say, or in
general -- I can read books, medical books about heart disease
and understand what the authors are saying.
So my recommendation to young people, which I have been making
for 50 years, is that if you want to go into biology, biochemistry,
molecular biology, why don't you start out by majoring in physics
and chemistry and mathematics and then move on later? I recommended
50 years ago to students interested in biology to take the Ph.D.
in chemistry, rather than biology, and then get a job in plant
physiology or some other field. With your basic understanding
you will be able to be successful in this field. |
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Even 50 years
ago I was recommending to students in the California Institute
of Technology who came to me for advice to do graduate
work in chemistry rather than in biology, even if they
were interested in biology. They could take some courses
in biology, but they could do reading by themselves to
learn most of biology. Genetics was already a good science
in biology. I recommended taking a course in genetics. |
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So ever since then, I have said
to students, if you are interested in science, I think a good
thing for you to get is as much training as possible in the
basic sciences -- mathematics, physics, chemistry, including
physical chemistry. And then you can move on into these more
applied fields. Many of these fields I consider to be just applied
chemistry. Molecular biology is a branch of chemistry, just
as biochemistry is a branch of chemistry. Astronomy in some
respects is, because the astronomers are studying the molecules
in interstellar space that show up on the spectrographic studies
that they make. And the geologist of course, much of geology
depends on minerals, and that essentially is a branch of chemistry.
When you look at the controversies of
your life, what do they say about how much impact an individual
can have?
Sometimes I say you shouldn't think that your
efforts, your demonstration, participation in peace walks, or
writing letters to members of Congress or to the local newspaper,
are wasted efforts. You can contribute, and you can't be sure
how great your contribution is, but you can contribute, so do
it.
So then, of course,
I wrote my book Vitamin C and the Common Cold in 1970, August
1970. I thought, you know, everybody will be happy to have this
book that tells about how to keep from suffering with the common
cold. The doctors will be happy, they won't be pestered with
patients with this minor problem the way they are now. They
can concentrate on more serious diseases. And what happened?
A month later, The Medical Letter published an attack on me
for having written this book. And all the other medical... Modern
Medicine published an attack on me for a whole lot of things.
I wrote to the men, the editor of Modern Medicine and said,
"You remember that Modern Medicine gave me the Modern Medicine
Award four or five years ago for my work on sickle cell anemia.
And here you are attacking me." And then I went up and
said, "I want you to publish this retraction." And
I wrote a very abject retraction on all the points and they
published it just the way I had written it, retracting. I had
been astonished at the response of the medical profession to
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Do you find this
resistance to your views on orthomolecular medicine annoying?
I know it's irritating, but do you ever get just downright
angry about it?
I don't think so. It's not in my nature.
I left out, of course, the response by the American government
and the Institute to my efforts for world peace. It didn't
occur to me back in 1946. I was saying -- in what I thought
was a completely logical way -- that the time had come
to give up wars between the great nations. They are counter-productive
now, nobody benefits. They are so destructive that nobody
benefits, so we better be sensible. And here I get attacked!
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It brings to mind the
controversy surrounding Robert Oppenheimer and the dispute with
Edward Teller. You were a bit outside that because you declined
to work on the Manhattan Project.
That's right. I had known Teller from 1930 and,
of course, had much respect for him as a scientist. A very smart
fellow. Too emotional.
Do you have strong feelings from that
era when Oppenheimer lost his security clearance, when there
was that whole debate over who is and who isn't a "real"
American?
Yes. I think it was shocking that the United
States government authorities showed so little gratitude to
Oppenheimer, the way they did in these hearings.
Teller wasn't the only one who testified against Oppenheimer.
There were two or three other scientists too. And of course
the main person involved was Strauss. Strauss, a banker, began
thinking of himself as a theoretical physicist, and began to
be jealous. Strauss was the chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.
He began to be jealous of Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer of course
could be caustic in his criticisms, and I was told the story
about a seminar that Teller gave at Los Alamos, and Oppenheimer
said, "Here, how could you have made such an elementary
mistake as the one you made back in some of your equations?"Teller
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I don't know
exactly what occurred, but this is the story that went
around. Oppenheimer was unhappy with Teller, in that Teller
was brought in to do a part of the job connected with
making the atomic bomb, and he just refrained from doing
it or refused to do it, so that Oppenheimer had to get
someone else in to do the job that Teller was supposed
to do.
There are a number of people who
are great physicists who say that they would have been
chemists but found it too difficult.
Well, Einstein, for example. Einstein,
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In 1931 perhaps, I've forgotten
which year, Einstein was visiting at Cal Tech, and I gave a
physics seminar on quantum mechanics and chemical structure.
Einstein was there sitting in the front row in the physics lecture
room. There were reporters there, of course, as usual wherever
Einstein was. And at the end, the reporters asked him, "What
did you think of Professor Pauling's talk?" And he said,
"It was too complicated for me." This was published
in the Pasadena Star News. Perhaps I did include too much detail
for a physicist. Chemists are more interested in the details
than physicists are.
How do you feel about the contributions
you have made? All modesty aside, what do you think are your
greatest contributions?
I have answered that question in the past by
saying that I think my 1931 paper was the most important of
the papers that I have written. There were others, too, that
all together changed the science of chemistry. It's hard to
say what practical effect there is of that. How many people
have benefited from the fact that chemists are able to work
more effectively now than they were before 1930? I don't know.
In a practical sense, stopping the bomb tests. I was not alone
responsible for that, but if, for the sake of argument, we say,
as in fact the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee said,
There probably would not have been a bomb test treaty if there
hadn't been somebody doing what I was doing for those years.
If the bomb testing had gone on at the same rate for a few more
years, it would have meant that millions of children -- according
to my calculations, which seem to have been essentially in the
right order -- millions of children, infants, would have been
born with gross physical and mental defects that otherwise would
not have had the defect, and millions of people would have died
of cancer at an earlier age than otherwise. So that -- to the
extent that I was involved -- that was, I think, pretty important.
The ideas about orthomolecular medicine, I think, have already
affected millions of people. So I feel much surprised by it,
that I have contributed something to the well-being of human
beings.
As you were building on your discoveries,
and you discovered the alpha-helix, you just missed being the
first person to discover the double helix. Is that right?
It's hard to say. For a while I said I didn't
want to make a statement, but more recently I have been saying...
Perhaps if I had been allowed to go to that meeting in London,
which is what people say interfered, perhaps I would have discovered
the double helix. I had described it several years earlier,
saying that the gene consists of two mutually complementary
molecules which, when separated, each could act as a template
for the synthesis of the other. And Watson and Crick knew that,
and they were using my method by which I had determined the
structure of proteins, the alpha-helix and the two pleated sheets
in their attack on the double helix, just as I was. I think
my wife may have been right in sort of implied criticism --
not really implied -- afterwards, when she said to me, "If
that was such an important problem, why didn't you work harder
at it?"
As I look back, my feeling is that I didn't work very hard at
it. I have to admit, I sort of had the feeling that I didn't
need to work very hard, that I would probably discover it in
the course of time, as a structure of the nucleus. So, this
was a sort of hubris, I suppose, the sort of feeling that I
was better than I really am.
In all this time, did you ever worry
about failing?
I don't think so. I never got involved in a
race.
You know, I have said I wasn't in a race with Watson and Crick.
They thought they were in a race with me. My feeling was that
it wasn't a race. I wasn't working very hard on the DNA problem,
I was doing other things too. And I probably did have a sort
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back, and think of what I am doing now, that I have always
liked working in some scientific direction that nobody
else is working in, such that I don't really have any
competition.
When I was working in the effort to understand the structure
of proteins, I was doing it by a method that nobody else
used, which was to think about proteins in relation to
the principals about chemical bonding that I had laid
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It turned out, of course, that
other people were working on the same problems, but not by the
same method. In Cambridge, England, Sir Lawrence Bragg and his
collaborators John C. Kendrew and Jean Baptiste Perrin published
a long paper on helical structures of polypeptide chains. All
the structures were wrong. They had not used the principles
in my book, and they had a more difficult problem than I had,
of course, but I succeeded in finding the alpha-helix and the
pleated sheet structures. I was apt to be the only person attacking
that problem on the basis that I was using.
Now recently, I have been trying to determine detailed structures
of atomic nuclei by analyzing the ground state and excited state
vibrational bends, as observed experimentally. From reading
the physics literature, Physical Review Letters and other journals,
I know that many physicists are interested in atomic nuclei,
but none of them, so far as I have been able to discover, has
been attacking the problem in the same way that I attack it.
So I just move along at my own speed, making calculations, and
I don't worry about someone else publishing their results a
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I never have been involved
in the sort of race that we read about from time to time,
the race for a Nobel Prize when there are two groups,
each struggling to get ahead of the other one in making
a discovery that they think will bring them the Nobel
Prize.
Nobel, in his will, referred to "the greatest single
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I thought that the discoveries
I made in the period 1927 to 1937 altogether constituted a considerable
advance in our understanding, but I couldn't think of a "single
discovery." Albert von Szent-Gyorgyi wrote to me, saying
that he was going to nominate me for the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
This, I think, people are not supposed to do. So what should
he say was the discovery that I had made? I thought about it
for a while, and I wrote back and said I thought he should say
the discovery of hydrogenation of bond orbitals. That's the
one thing in the 1931 paper that I would say is more important
than any of my other ideas. I don't know what he did, if he
did nominate me. But the Nobel committee apparently decided
they could lump all of my discoveries together and say, "For
his work on the nature of the chemical bond."
In a more general sense, including your
personal and professional life, how much control does a person
have over his or her future?
I think life it apt to be full of surprises.
My feeling is, first, about a young person...
How can a young person be happy? I think a good way of increasing
the probability of leading a happy life is to do two things.
First, to think about what you'd like to do, whoever you are,
what you like to do, and then see if you can make your living
doing it. Second, look around, keeping your eyes open and your
brain working and find somebody of the opposite sex with whom
you enjoy talking and with whom you can get along. Get married
young and stay married. So those are the two ways in which I
believe young people can be doing something wise to determine,
to some extent at any rate, the nature of their future lives.
That, and take plenty of vitamin C,
and they will be on the right track.
Well, there is no doubt about that. There are
health practices that can be followed. If you want to lead a
miserable life, all you need to do is start smoking cigarettes.
I think that we ought to be doing something more than we are
doing to control the cigarette smoking habit. I don't think
that abolishing tobacco is the way to do it. That is, to have
the government pass a law against tobacco. But to have the government
subsidizing the tobacco industry, seems to me the wrong thing
to do.
Looking back over your career, you became
a famous person, someone who got a great deal of attention in
public. What effect did that have on your family, on your wife
and your children?
I'm not sure that it had very much effect. I
was fortunate when I compare myself with Henry Ford.
Henry Ford was asked, "What effect did becoming a multi-millionaire
have on your life?" He said, "Mrs. Ford stopped cooking
for me." My wife, although she complained a bit, didn't
stop cooking for me. You know, I don't know my children and
my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren well enough to know
what effect having me for a father or a grandfather or a great-grandfather
has on their lives. I just don't know. It's hard for people
to know other people, even for me to know my children. They
are pretty good children, to the extent that I know them.
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Why don't you know
them well enough?
Well, with my grandchildren, perhaps I
haven't had enough personal contact because they have
been in distant places most of their lives. One of my
grandsons, a pair of twin boys, the eldest children of
my daughter and her husband, changed from being a graduate
student in molecular biology to studying law. He has graduated
and passed the bar examination and practices law. It is
hard for me to understand why anyone would change from
science to law, but it probably indicates a limited understanding
on my part. He is a very smart fellow. His twin brother
is a post-doctoral fellow in molecular biology now. They
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Is there a particular
talent that you don't have that you always wanted, that you
thought would have been helpful?
Well, I probably should just say no. There was
a period of five years, or four and a half, during which I learned
no additional mathematics. And when I got to Europe with my
wife in 1926, I discovered many young theoretical physicists
there who knew mathematics more thoroughly than I did. If, from
the time when I was 17 years old to 21, I had been learning
the sort of mathematics that I started again to learn in graduate
school, I might well have been more adept at the mathematical
side of science than I am. But, you know, I'm not really complaining.
I've succeeded in handling some reasonably difficult mathematical
problems.
You certainly have. It's hard to imagine
how you could have accomplished much more. Thank you for spending
so much time with us.
(Fuente: Academy of Achievement, Washington DC.,
USA)
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